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and i want to talk to you about the op-ed that wayne lapierre. where he lays out his case for owning a gun, his reasons why. i want you to take a listen to joe read that piece. >> if the country is broke, there likely won't be enough money to pay for police protection and the american people know it. hurricanes, tornadoes, riots, terrorists, gangs, lone criminals, these are the perils we are sure to face, not just maybe. >> so joe went on to say this op-ed was laced with racist undertones and you had taken a mom who lost her son to the state of the union address as your plus one. how do you think your republican colleagues can stand behind the voice of the nra continually when they seem to be on the fringe of the argument and the debate itself? >> well, joe scarborough had it exactly right this morning. what the nra is doing is once again engaging in the scare tactics and trying to avoid focusing on the actual proposals that we've put before the congress. i took carol price to the state of the union. she lost her son in a tragic accidental gun sh
and i want to talk to you about the op-ed that wayne lapierre. where he lays out his case for owning a gun, his reasons why. i want you to take a listen to joe read that piece. >> if the country is broke, there likely won't be enough money to pay for police protection and the american people know it. hurricanes, tornadoes, riots, terrorists, gangs, lone criminals, these are the perils we are sure to face, not just maybe. >> so joe went on to say this op-ed was laced with racist...
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and also wayne lapierre. this is very important. because if you look at the profiles of all the people that committed these mass murders in newtown and aurora and across -- virginia tech, they are all hispanic drug gang leaders. and that's exactly what wayne lapierre said in an op-ed that americans need to buy guns because those latin americans are coming to america, and they're going to kill you people. this is who a lot of republicans in congress are thinking about falling off -- don't do it. don't hurt our party anymore. let wayne lapierre go wherever he wants to go. he's going to destroy the party. we're going to talk about the crazy op-ed has horrible for our party's image, horrible for the conservative movement's image, goes against everything ronald reagan stood for. we'll talk about that in a minute. first, breaking news. this is bizarre. the feel-good story of the olympic games involved in possibly murder. >> this was a total jaw-dropper this morning. oscar pistorius, for those people who don't know, is a south african runn
and also wayne lapierre. this is very important. because if you look at the profiles of all the people that committed these mass murders in newtown and aurora and across -- virginia tech, they are all hispanic drug gang leaders. and that's exactly what wayne lapierre said in an op-ed that americans need to buy guns because those latin americans are coming to america, and they're going to kill you people. this is who a lot of republicans in congress are thinking about falling off -- don't do it....
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wayne lapierre of the national rifle association. you ever wonder why everything he says seems increasingly inflammatory? it's not that he is dumb. it's not that he doesn't know what is going to upset you when you listen to a speech or a sound bite from him. the national rifle association exists to bug you. the national rifle association exists to make you think of him, to make you pay attention to him and to the nra instead of to the industry that pays the nra to be their heat shield. nobody knows the names of the ceos of the manufacturing companies in this country that make guns. nobody knows who runs the various gun companies and the accessories companies who makes those extended magazines anyway. nobody knows who those guys are. but everybody knows who wayne lapierre is. he wants you to hate him. that's his job. and i think that wayne lapierre and the nra are not even in this to win elections, which is why they stay in business despite a winning record of 1%. wayne lapierre exist to make you think of anything other than the maker
wayne lapierre of the national rifle association. you ever wonder why everything he says seems increasingly inflammatory? it's not that he is dumb. it's not that he doesn't know what is going to upset you when you listen to a speech or a sound bite from him. the national rifle association exists to bug you. the national rifle association exists to make you think of him, to make you pay attention to him and to the nra instead of to the industry that pays the nra to be their heat shield. nobody...
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your article details how wayne lapierre took the nra from a group that represented gun owners not one supported by and supportive of the gun industry. can you explain to the viewers the element of money that's in play here? >> well, the nra is a dark money group. it doesn't have to disclose its dono donors, but apparently it's good pr for a number of gun makers to be affiliated with the nra. that we know about that the nra has disclosed we know about millions. they have the golden ring of freedom and they have access to wayne lapierre and help shape policy. >> the yoshths has a wonderful piece on how a brilliant marketing campaign has made thea r-15 is best selling gun while slate recently estimated that assault rifles represent a half billion dollar industry. now, just to be clear, this isn't about children. this isn't about the second amendment for the nra. this is about corporate profits, isn't it? it's about making money for gun manufacturers. >> that's right. and i would commend tim's article to everyone. it's a superb piece. it's a very important piece. i think you put your fing
your article details how wayne lapierre took the nra from a group that represented gun owners not one supported by and supportive of the gun industry. can you explain to the viewers the element of money that's in play here? >> well, the nra is a dark money group. it doesn't have to disclose its dono donors, but apparently it's good pr for a number of gun makers to be affiliated with the nra. that we know about that the nra has disclosed we know about millions. they have the golden ring of...
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. >> doesn't wayne lapierre have a point though? background checks cannot keep a criminalrom using a gun. >> under that theory, we have lost about murder. they are going to kill people anyway. wayne lapierre and the nra used to support universal background check 10 years ago or so. >> what happened? >> i do not understand it. they have become more unreasonable, i would say. i do not think we are going to get much of anything now. but this is not going away. >> nina is right. it is rather fascinating to watch the dynamic of t thehe nra, at this point. david cain the president, the white-haired man, is the good cop. longtime conservative leader. a longtime nra board member. he has actually come out for universal background checks. lapierre is the more strident, more bombasticic, take no prisoners. this is a losing fight for the nra. if we punish people fomaking false statements on mortgage applications that some bank will be hurt, when itit comes to gun that is even more serious. >> i think the background check will pass, over 90% app
. >> doesn't wayne lapierre have a point though? background checks cannot keep a criminalrom using a gun. >> under that theory, we have lost about murder. they are going to kill people anyway. wayne lapierre and the nra used to support universal background check 10 years ago or so. >> what happened? >> i do not understand it. they have become more unreasonable, i would say. i do not think we are going to get much of anything now. but this is not going away. >> nina...
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so, e.j., wayne lapierre wrote a crazy op-ped piece yesterday somewhat in response to the president, then there he is today. and it's clearly a -- he keeps repeating this line, buy more guns, buy more guns. it's almost more overtly than ever a gun industry shill of let's just run up the sales. >> well, you know, i thought long and hard about this, and i've decided that actually you are writing most of wayne lapierre's material, because it doesn't make sense in any other way. it creates awesome segments for your show. the people, the only people this can appeal to are "a" the gun manufacturers as you say because he keeps saying, buy more guns. "b" the most extreme right end of the republican party base. i miean you look at this piece e wrote in the "daily caller." he says when the next terrorist attack comes, not with, just when, a paragraph that begins hurricanes, tornadoes, riots, terrorists, gangs, alone, criminals. there's a craziness about the rhetoric. so the only other thing i can think of reading this other than the fact you might have written it all is it's about the competit
so, e.j., wayne lapierre wrote a crazy op-ped piece yesterday somewhat in response to the president, then there he is today. and it's clearly a -- he keeps repeating this line, buy more guns, buy more guns. it's almost more overtly than ever a gun industry shill of let's just run up the sales. >> well, you know, i thought long and hard about this, and i've decided that actually you are writing most of wayne lapierre's material, because it doesn't make sense in any other way. it creates...
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. >> reporter: that's wayne lapierre in 1999. he, of course, is basically the chief voice of the nra still today. he was on fox news sunday, this morning. he was indicating his opposition to universal background checks. obviously. it's not what he said in 1999. his fear is there would be a gun registry and the government would insert itself in what should be a private matter for individuals. >> that radical change of thought. you know the picture that jay carney tweeted, a lot of people were talking about it. >> reporter: there were a lot of people talking on it. if you go on social media, i'm sure you heard about the skeet shooting. we reached out to the nra after that photo was put out. one picture does not erase a lifetime of supporting every gun ban and every gun control scheme available. the white house would challenge that characterization of the president's policies on guns. he is a strong supporter of the second amendment. >> many thanks as always. >>> new on "meet the press," panetta gave his confirmation to chuck hagel.
. >> reporter: that's wayne lapierre in 1999. he, of course, is basically the chief voice of the nra still today. he was on fox news sunday, this morning. he was indicating his opposition to universal background checks. obviously. it's not what he said in 1999. his fear is there would be a gun registry and the government would insert itself in what should be a private matter for individuals. >> that radical change of thought. you know the picture that jay carney tweeted, a lot of...
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. >>> following his ram belling laced op ed wayne lapierre offered america's wayne's world part two, giving a response to president obama's state of the union. >> it was only a few weeks ago when they were marketing their anti-gun agenda as a way of protecting schoolchildren from harm. that charade ended at the state of the union. when the president helms exposed their fraudulent intentions. it's not about keeping kids safe at school. that wasn't even mentioned in the president's speech. >> in the last hour the president honored a group of women who sacrificed their lives for the children of sandy hook elementary school. we will give mr. lapierre a reality check coming up next. hey, it's me, progressive insurance. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts like safe driver, multicar, and multipolicy. so call me today. you'll be glad you did. cannonbox! [splash!] [ whispering ] that'
. >>> following his ram belling laced op ed wayne lapierre offered america's wayne's world part two, giving a response to president obama's state of the union. >> it was only a few weeks ago when they were marketing their anti-gun agenda as a way of protecting schoolchildren from harm. that charade ended at the state of the union. when the president helms exposed their fraudulent intentions. it's not about keeping kids safe at school. that wasn't even mentioned in the president's...
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should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how do you keep this huge tent the republican party has built in the last 30 or 40 years with people from the south, the west, the miners, the ranchers, the religious right, all those people that have decided the republican party is their natural home and yet you have people in the fringe costing you your image. >> well, you've got to stand up to people on the fringe. you know, when parties go extreme they get roundly defeated. it happened to democrats in 1984. it happened to the republican neocons on 2006. it happened in the off-year elections back in 2010. americans thought demo
should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how...
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>> wayne lapierre's own words, no loopholes. we have universal background checks. 91% of americans, republican party in washington, d.c., support this. 91% of americans, and the question is, mika, are they going to continue to be run off the end of the cliff by extremists that make up the hard right of their party that destroys their opportunities to win national elections? this is very simple. by the way, people say oh, joe, he's a -- no, i'm not. i still believe what i've always believed ideologically. i just have always believed in winning. >> yeah. >> maybe it's because i go to university of alabama. we like to win at the university of alabama. we believe in winning. we believe you don't get the ball and run it into the other guy's end zone. you try to win games. this republican party is chasing the most extreme element in their own party through the primary processes, and that's why harry reid right now is running the senate. >> but there are -- i mean, you saw the front page of the business section of "the new york times"
>> wayne lapierre's own words, no loopholes. we have universal background checks. 91% of americans, republican party in washington, d.c., support this. 91% of americans, and the question is, mika, are they going to continue to be run off the end of the cliff by extremists that make up the hard right of their party that destroys their opportunities to win national elections? this is very simple. by the way, people say oh, joe, he's a -- no, i'm not. i still believe what i've always...
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wayne lapierre is the noise right now people are increasingly tining out. the reality is the republican leadership is privately conceding they cannot stop background check legs lace. they don't want to publicly concede that because they wouldn't to use it as a chit to stop assault weapons and clips from being passed. what people have to keep in mind, democratic pundits and others that are for these gun measures that come on television and say we can't get assault weapons and we can't get clips passed, they have to realize when they say that, they're unwittingly playing into the nra's strategy here because the numbers on these proposals are changing and they're changing rapidly and eventually the dam will break. the reason why the numbers are changing on this is because the president continues to focus on this in his public remarks. when the president focuses on this in his public remarks,ed media then covers it. we had shootings in allentown, pennsylvania, and louisiana, in texas, and the public is quickly changing. the public wants action not just on backg
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>> wayne lapierre is representing his organization. whether he's trying to fold into his organization. >> long identified with the gop. >> there's a difference between the nra and the rnc. he's doing what he's paid to do and representing it. the nice thing the democrats are doing are lopping the two groups together so i do understand that he's long supported a lot of republican candidates and a lot of democrat candidates, too. >> sure. >> he's got a fight to fight, he's wrong on some issues and right on some issues but certainly he has led his organization in articulating what their message is. >> what does lapierre do for the republican party, chris kofinis? >> damage them. the only thing he didn't mention in the op-ed was the zombie apocalypse. at some point in all seriousness these are difficult issues. i worked for a senator who was an nra "a" rating member so i understand the difficulty especially if you come from a rural state there are different perspectives. my preference is we clearly have to honor and respect the second amend
>> wayne lapierre is representing his organization. whether he's trying to fold into his organization. >> long identified with the gop. >> there's a difference between the nra and the rnc. he's doing what he's paid to do and representing it. the nice thing the democrats are doing are lopping the two groups together so i do understand that he's long supported a lot of republican candidates and a lot of democrat candidates, too. >> sure. >> he's got a fight to fight,...
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wayne lapierre and the nra used to support universal background check 10 years ago or so. >> what happened? >> i do not really understand it. they have become more unreasonable, i would say. i do not think we are going to get much of anything now, but this is not going away. >> mean that is right. it is fasciting to watch the dynamic of the nra, at this point. david cain, he is sort of the good cop, the president's of the organization. longtime conservative leader. he is a longtime nra board member. he has actually come out for universal background check. lapierre is the more strident, bombastic, take no prisoners. this is a losing fight for the nra. if we punish people for making false statements on mortgage applications, some bank will be hurt. when it comes down to a gun, this is more serious. >> charles? >> i think the background check will pass. 90% approval in public opinion polls. maybe the size of the magazine clip. a limit of 10. on the assault weapons ban, ich a recapitulation to what we tried in 1994, is not likely to pass, but in the end, it would not make a difference. the pro
wayne lapierre and the nra used to support universal background check 10 years ago or so. >> what happened? >> i do not really understand it. they have become more unreasonable, i would say. i do not think we are going to get much of anything now, but this is not going away. >> mean that is right. it is fasciting to watch the dynamic of the nra, at this point. david cain, he is sort of the good cop, the president's of the organization. longtime conservative leader. he is a...
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that lindsey graham knows full well, wayne lapierre knows full well, gayle trotter knows full well and sheldon whitehouse asked a question which lapierre ducked. if you talk to hard core members of the nra, they will admit, as senator whitehouse said, they will admit you don't need an ar-15 to defend your home or go hunting or go target shooting or anything else. they want those guns because the police have those guns. and they believe that they will have to fight the police, and they want to be as heavily armed as the police when that happens. that is the underlying philosophy. >> so they think in terms of a barricade situation where it's them against the law. >> absolutely. >> congresswoman, that is new. it used to be they would say we're sportsmen, we're hunters, and then they would say whatever, self-protection if you live in a tough neighborhood or whatever. now they openly say we have to fight the government. that's pretty close to insurrection time, isn't it? we have to be ready to fight the government? >> this is what we've been hearing for a couple months, to be very honest wi
that lindsey graham knows full well, wayne lapierre knows full well, gayle trotter knows full well and sheldon whitehouse asked a question which lapierre ducked. if you talk to hard core members of the nra, they will admit, as senator whitehouse said, they will admit you don't need an ar-15 to defend your home or go hunting or go target shooting or anything else. they want those guns because the police have those guns. and they believe that they will have to fight the police, and they want to...
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lapierre over the weekend out west was really going after you personally. let me play that. >> i've been amazed, just amazed, at how rapidly this debate deteriorated from what is proven to work to what is proven to be the political agenda of those bent on attacking the second amendment to our constitution. dianne feinstein herself commented that she's had her gun ban legislation on her desk for over a year waiting for the right time to introduce it. >> what would you like to say back to wayne la pierre? >> what i said is that we have been working on this for a year. it's a rather complicated piece of legislation because it exempts 2,200 hunting, sporting weapons by make and model, and that took some work of staff and consultation with real gun experts to be sure that we could be correct on all counts, so it wasn't a bill just quickly slapped together. it had some thoughtful consideration. we have a hearing coming up wednesday. we have a number of witnesses. i think we will make the case that this is constitutional. i think we will make the case that these w
lapierre over the weekend out west was really going after you personally. let me play that. >> i've been amazed, just amazed, at how rapidly this debate deteriorated from what is proven to work to what is proven to be the political agenda of those bent on attacking the second amendment to our constitution. dianne feinstein herself commented that she's had her gun ban legislation on her desk for over a year waiting for the right time to introduce it. >> what would you like to say...
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wayne lapierre referred to some of the president's comments linking the issue of gun violence to the potential impacts on kids as a charade and they have also gone up with their own print ads as well. >> peter alexander at the white house. thanks so much. thanks for the report. >>> meanwhile, in south africa the murder charges against oscar pistorius took another unexpected turn. a bizarre turn as the lead investigator was removed from the case. nbc's reporter joins me now. you can't make this stuff up. tell me what happened. >> reporter: well, this is what happened on this, the third day of bond hearing. now a fourth day and expecting a decision tomorrow or perhaps on monday. today we did hear the closing arguments in this case, though. firstly from oscar pistorius's defense team saying there was no evidence that this was a preplanned killing and they said that the fact that oscar had tried to carry the girlfriend down the stairs out of the home showed that he was trying to save her life but then the prosecution retaliated. they said that this is a violent man, he has a history of v
wayne lapierre referred to some of the president's comments linking the issue of gun violence to the potential impacts on kids as a charade and they have also gone up with their own print ads as well. >> peter alexander at the white house. thanks so much. thanks for the report. >>> meanwhile, in south africa the murder charges against oscar pistorius took another unexpected turn. a bizarre turn as the lead investigator was removed from the case. nbc's reporter joins me now. you...
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we're too caught in wayne lapierre and rhetoric, to me nra is about buying and selling guns, not about second amendment and gun safety. we should focus on the issues. >> trafficking of guns. >> the leadership of the nra represent the gun lobby and those folks invested in selling more guns. i don't think they're interested protecting the second amendment rights. obviously lapierre as spokesperson has not given enough compass nat narrative to the kinds of things happening in mass shootings and chicago, and at the end of the day we need a conversation sans nra. i agree their power is a little overstated and this is a moment to move the conversation forward towards gun safety. >> and we said time and time again, salcalia, clarence thoma alito and conservatives in 2008 gave americans the second amendment right that we always believe we conservatives always believe was contained inside the second amendment. >> right. >> you don't need wayne lapierre out there now doing it for you. i wonder why they don't let david king go. because lapierre is such - such -- lapierre is such a nightmare. almo
we're too caught in wayne lapierre and rhetoric, to me nra is about buying and selling guns, not about second amendment and gun safety. we should focus on the issues. >> trafficking of guns. >> the leadership of the nra represent the gun lobby and those folks invested in selling more guns. i don't think they're interested protecting the second amendment rights. obviously lapierre as spokesperson has not given enough compass nat narrative to the kinds of things happening in mass...
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lapierre supporting a background check. here is a little bit of that ad. >> the nra once supported background checks. >> we think it's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> all right. i'll admit i need quick answers here. can a southern republican vote for the background check bill and get re-elected? >> a licensed dealer at a gun show already does a background check. that's already going on. what we're talking about is antique and special collectors and private sales. i think that's very difficult to legislate properly without killing gun show. >> there is a rural split almost more than anything else. urban politics are more supportive of this idea. >> yes. but i think both the southern republican and the urban republican should all be voting for universal background checks. look, connecticut was a game changer. we need to understand that. the gun issue is here. it's not going away. every other day, we are hearing about a tr
lapierre supporting a background check. here is a little bit of that ad. >> the nra once supported background checks. >> we think it's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> all right. i'll admit i need quick answers here. can a southern republican vote for the background check bill and get re-elected? >> a licensed dealer at a gun show already does a background check....
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as we've heard from nra's wayne lapierre that is something that they are not for, in fact the nra has gone so far as to say it's in the in support of any restrictions at all whatsoever on guns. martha,. martha: we know that the president, kelly is going to run into headwinds even with democrats in congress on this issue. what is his plan to try to get it through? >> reporter: i think we are seeing that plan start taking shape today with his trip to minneapolis. the president will likely continue these campaign-style stops at various cities that have been plagued with gun control, minneapolis being one of them and already taking action of course to deal with this gun control problem, the gun violence in that city. the president will continue to push for this. he will not try to introduce any legislation himself, he wants congress to do that e wants congress to step up to the table and go ahead and offer some of its plans that he has in place. the president would like to see congress act or enact a ban on assault weapons, high kpwas te capacity magazines and a universal background check
as we've heard from nra's wayne lapierre that is something that they are not for, in fact the nra has gone so far as to say it's in the in support of any restrictions at all whatsoever on guns. martha,. martha: we know that the president, kelly is going to run into headwinds even with democrats in congress on this issue. what is his plan to try to get it through? >> reporter: i think we are seeing that plan start taking shape today with his trip to minneapolis. the president will likely...
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obviously, wayne lapierre, who's a guy that i -- i support the second amendment. i think maybe they should ship him to france for a couple years. >> i think he hurt the movement. i think it's made it easier to sit there and say, wait a minute, whose side do you want to be on? they've been bad spokespeople on this front. it has made it easier for a tom coburn, who by the way is probably going to be the lynch pin here. schumer has been negotiating with him. they want to get coburn as a co-spon ssor on the background check. >> diane feinstein, chuck schumer. these people, they cannot push the republicans in any direction whatsoever. but wayne lapierre's mistakes, mika, week after week after week, his horrific performance on fox -- >> every single one was a cringer. >> the stupid thing they did with their gun app that little kids could play. on the month anniversary of the sandy hook slaughter. the commercial going after the president's kids. wayne lapierre did more to damage the nra than any democrat or liberal could ever do. >> he totally did. i can't imagine anybod
obviously, wayne lapierre, who's a guy that i -- i support the second amendment. i think maybe they should ship him to france for a couple years. >> i think he hurt the movement. i think it's made it easier to sit there and say, wait a minute, whose side do you want to be on? they've been bad spokespeople on this front. it has made it easier for a tom coburn, who by the way is probably going to be the lynch pin here. schumer has been negotiating with him. they want to get coburn as a...
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do you still take wayne lapierre seriously? is he still an effective spokesman pore gun rights activists like yourself? >> i think that's a question that's really beside the point. the question should be, in my opinion, what can be done that realistically would make a difference in not having these horrible situations like we saw with those children being murdered, and i think it's -- it's three prongs. it is certainly more capability to know who is buying these guns and getting background checks which i'm told a bipartisan group of senators is working on a solution on that, that might carry both houses which i think is promising. >> here's the thing, senator, not to interrupt you. but here's a guy who speaks for the national rifle association, the largest gun rights group in this country. he has a platform. i think my question is valid because he should be at least advancing the debate. advancing the die loss, but it seems like every time he gets behind the microphone he does the exact opposite. >> well, i think, of course, th
do you still take wayne lapierre seriously? is he still an effective spokesman pore gun rights activists like yourself? >> i think that's a question that's really beside the point. the question should be, in my opinion, what can be done that realistically would make a difference in not having these horrible situations like we saw with those children being murdered, and i think it's -- it's three prongs. it is certainly more capability to know who is buying these guns and getting...